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Post by almagata on Apr 26, 2017 5:26:31 GMT
What would be funny and a lot of disgusting, would be to go to the truck stops and collect the pubic hairs out of the truckstop showers. Would that be illegal? Would it be terribly uncomfortable? Maybe they could get Hazmat to do it? Maybe once everyone has computer logs, they might be able to use those to find out who was at the truck stops when the girls were last seen. I don't think it would be illegal and I don't think it would be anymore or less disgusting than cleaning the shower at a hotel or gym but what would it accomplish unless you did it after every guy took a shower and knew who left the hair?
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Post by almagata on Apr 26, 2017 5:32:35 GMT
Wow, the last third of episode 6 of the Killing Season is an interview with Heather who was the woman that killed Neal Falls. She is so lucky she was able to shoot the guy. The last segment is an interview with Thomas Hargrove of the Murder Accountability Project and the stats on solving homicides have been falling horribly over the past 50 years. He has complied data on serial murders that no law enforcement agency in the US has ever compiled. I am on episode three now. I have never been a fan of true crime, and this is a little tedious for me. The drama that the shows try to add irritates me. But now I find myself thinking about the LISK more often. They have touched on a couple things that I find very interesting but then move from them rather quickly. The Doctor. Hackett? The out of work financial advisor. The police chief who keeps denying everything and seems to have his own storyline he is trying to sell. The landscaper and aquarium guy committed suicide. And then down in Atlantic City. Prostitution is an illegal business right? No contracts. What is there besides drugs, money and fear to control the business? The carrots and the stick. What happens when one of the girls gets out of line somehow? To a sociopath pimp, they are just a commodity. The one thing that I think is not random, is the LE response in both areas. Remember when the Hollywood Madams were caught? They had lists of important people that they provided women for. Much like the what people were afraid of when Pellicano got busted. Those lists might be the thing that is making LE so quiet about this. Here is a scenario. A girl is prostituting in her hometown at a young age, and then leaves for Vegas, Atlantic City, NYC, Florida and stops talking to her family because of shame and disapproval. She is taking drugs, and gets hooked up with a pimp. Her only contacts are with the pimp, the other girls, and her clients. Something happens, either with a john, or with the pimp, and the body needs to be taken away. Who is going to report her missing? The girls would be too afraid. The pimp knows it would be bad for business. And her clients are not going to involve themselves. If pimp is a sociopath it might happen more often than not, and he might develop a system for discarding the bodies. A special place and method. It isnt that he is going and finding them, they are already working for him illegally. It is just part of the business. They belong to him. Almost like slaves. And I wonder if he makes an example out of one, leaves something with them that he knows the other girls will recognize, if that makes his control even stronger. Especially if the girls know that LE will do nothing to to solve the case? Or if he makes it look like a serial killer did it. Or if LE does their best to make it look like a serial killer did it. I have to believe that the higher priced call girls are going to places that the rich and powerful men are at. So who is going to report her missing? The family might not have seen her in years anyway and wouldnt know to be looking for her. Its strange to see the same LE response in the LISK case, that we have seen in the GSK case. I have seen some message boards where the LE actually post on their progress or lack of it. but not with these cases. Why? Yes, the show was a little dramatic, but remember it needs to appeal to the general public. It is not near as OVERLY dramatic as the Dark Minds series. I think the scene you are painting is absolutely plausible. I have no doubt that the police selectively investigate crime in most jurisdictions and there is graft from illegal activities like drugs and prostitution in many places. Being a very practical person, I understand why the police do not pursue prostitution cases and turn a blind eye to the crimes committed against prostitutes. I wish they would make prostitution legal so that it could come out of the underworld. Prostitution is a huge business and men are never going to stop utilizing the services of prostitutes so we should set aside the puritanical impracticality of illegality and accept the biological and psychological needs that drive men to seek out varied sex partners. There have been many studies on how quickly compliance can be achieved and a subject can be indoctrinated into accepting group norms no matter how crazy they seem from the outside. I think these methods are used by pimps and drug dependence just make the girls more receptive and compliant. Even without drugs, sleep deprivation alone will make most people malleable within a few days. Could as part of the indoctrination, a pimp teach a girl that they needed to always go to sleep facing his home in honor of him, their god? Absolutely. Then when bodies were found and the girls knew the girls that were killed, the fact that the dead girls were all found facing the same direction toward the pimps house, would be a loud message to the live girls as to what happens when you displease the pimp-god. (You have yet to get to the Atlantic City episode where the dead prostitutes are all facing east.) Prostitution is a high risk business not unlike being a cop or firefighter. I'm sure if we had occupation statistics, they would show that the rate of premature death for prostitutes far exceeds that of other occupations. So part of the reason why prostitution needs to stay illegal is that if the public had statistics that change would be mandated to reduce the excessively high morbidity and mortality rates. Legalization would also shift the view that prostitutes are a refresh-able commodity to people with rights deserving protections and benefits like cops, firefighters and transportation workers. Think of the Geishas in Japan. The LISK case and a number of others like the murders of the truck stop prostitutes and the New Jersey case that are prostitute related, fit your police corruption theory, completely. GSK, because of his victim selection, would have to be business or political motivated to fit the scenario you are describing. I think that is possible but I also think it is equally possible that GSK is just some quirky guy that digs rape and murder.
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Post by almagata on Apr 26, 2017 5:44:27 GMT
Alright I am not getting all caught up in the LISK. I just wont do it. But...this is one of my favorite Nick Drake songs. It has that eerie feel too, like the Killing Season should have used it in their episode talking about him. "River Man Betty came by on her way Said she had a word to say About things today And fallen leaves Said she hadn’t heard the news Hadn’t had the time to choose A way to lose But she believes Gonna see the river man Gonna tell him all I can About the plan For lilac time If he tells me all he knows About the way his river flows And all night shows In summertime Betty said she prayed today For the sky to blow away Or maybe stay She wasn’t sure For when she thought of summer rain Calling for her mind again She lost the pain And stayed for more Gonna to see the river man Gonna to tell him all I can About the ban On feeling free If he tells me all he knows About the way his river flows I don’t suppose It’s meant for me Oh, how they come and go" Yes, this would have been a good song for that....actually it would work for a lot of serial killers. They seem to be drawn to rivers. I wonder why?
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Post by almagata on Apr 26, 2017 6:07:20 GMT
I have posted about this before. But no one seems to care all that much. When the Killing Season got to the episode about Neal Falls, I was a little taken back. There are sites on the web that show exactly what he was doing. In one video two guys break into a house. One goes in first and throws a dog catching loop around a young girls neck. And then video shows how to tie her, and then put her in one of those tubs that Neal Falls brought with him. In the video one guy carries out the tub at the end. No way someone would think a person could fit in that tub. I really liked what they did with West Mesa killings. And Hargrove was someone who seemed to know what he was doing. I just cant understand how these people could up with this by themselves. Was anyone surprised that Neal Falls was a security guard? These monsters have a need for positions of power. even though I live here in OK/TX, and have worked extensively in OK City, I havent seen the girls at the truck stops. I dont usually go to them because they are so crowded. I do remember a case up there when I was working there. They had her fliers all over OKC. Her friend had threatened to sell her to the sex trafficking, and then a couple days later she disappears. I cant remember the name so I cant look it up. That map that the FBI put together was so saddening. And yet we feel the need to go police the world and we cant even protect our own children from evil right here in our own country. I think it is hard for people to get passionate or concerned about the content of a video they have not seen. Perhaps if you posted a link? Hargrove is a guy I would like to talk to. I would love to hear more about the program he wrote to id possible serial killer series. I also would love to hear more about how he went about obtaining data from the various jurisdictions. I have tried to get data here and have gotten them to clean up crappy data that they had posted but it took many emails and letters to get them correct their obviously incomplete files. I did not win any friends doing that. I think police agencies are getting a little squirmy with people grabbing their data and questioning and analyzing what the data means or worse, like Hargrove, pointing out what seem to be an obvious unacknowledged pattern. The only time I ever go to truck stops is if they are the only place to stop when I am traveling. All the big truck stop chains seem to always be clean and well run but they are not places that women typically stop. What does that girl on the back of the truck flaps mean anyway? I don't recall the case you are mentioning, but I am surprised that anyone realized that a girl went missing from a truck stop. I would have guessed that anyone would have thought she just took off with one of the truckers and was onto another city. I don't know much about Oklahoma except they have tornadoes and talk with an accent. I did hear that Tulsa was a nice city. Seeing a tornado is on my bucket list, though. Yeah, I'm hoping we don't get into another war. It really is all about money/oil over there which is business so why don't they just negotiate a deal like other business people. Attachments:
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Post by albion on Apr 26, 2017 6:19:52 GMT
What would be funny and a lot of disgusting, would be to go to the truck stops and collect the pubic hairs out of the truckstop showers. Would that be illegal? Would it be terribly uncomfortable? Maybe they could get Hazmat to do it? Maybe once everyone has computer logs, they might be able to use those to find out who was at the truck stops when the girls were last seen. I don't think it would be illegal and I don't think it would be anymore or less disgusting than cleaning the shower at a hotel or gym but what would it accomplish unless you did it after every guy took a shower and knew who left the hair? That was my attempt at pointless serial killer humor. With all the DNA you would have to find someone who was wanted. Have you ever seen the truck stop showers?
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Post by albion on Apr 26, 2017 6:37:55 GMT
I don't think it would be illegal and I don't think it would be anymore or less disgusting than cleaning the shower at a hotel or gym but what would it accomplish unless you did it after every guy took a shower and knew who left the hair? That was my attempt at pointless serial killer humor. With all the DNA you would have to find someone who was wanted. Have you ever seen the truck stop showers? I read down and you are lucky you havent. There are only two places to buy diesel for my truck and tractors here where I live and one of them is a truck stop. I avoid it like the plague. But I have never seen the girls they are talking about at that place. the girl who was most likely sold in to sex tafficking wasnt at a truck stop. She was just a troubled highschooler who pissed off the wrong person somehow. I think it was over drugs or money, and he threatened to sell her into the business. And then days later she disappeared. I was thinking that LE in LISK case might have asked the witnesses the wrong questions. Just like in the Ear case, everyone is looking for the direct connection to the killer, but they should have asked the financial advisor questions like how long have you been unemployed? Who do you owe money to? who was here at the house that night? BTW, sometimes those girls at the brothels get sick and they have to have a doctor. If they are on drugs, and wanting to go home, they cant just take them to a hospital. Having a doctor like the one in the show would be a benefit. That guy was scared of something.
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Post by almagata on Apr 26, 2017 21:47:57 GMT
I don't think it would be illegal and I don't think it would be anymore or less disgusting than cleaning the shower at a hotel or gym but what would it accomplish unless you did it after every guy took a shower and knew who left the hair? That was my attempt at pointless serial killer humor. With all the DNA you would have to find someone who was wanted. Have you ever seen the truck stop showers? Well, now you can see why I almost never watch comedy movies or TV. I just am not very good at comedy. I agree you would likely find many people that were wanted. No, I have never seen that truck stop showers but I have always wondered how it all worked. Do they clean and dry them between each person? Do you only have a set time like when you go camping and you have to put quarters in for a couple of minutes of water? Do you have an area to groom and primp after you shower for some length of time? I have so much curiosity about the logistics of the whole thing. But, I am curious about just about everything in the world... well except the Kardashians. :-(
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Post by almagata on Apr 26, 2017 22:08:53 GMT
That was my attempt at pointless serial killer humor. With all the DNA you would have to find someone who was wanted. Have you ever seen the truck stop showers? I read down and you are lucky you havent. There are only two places to buy diesel for my truck and tractors here where I live and one of them is a truck stop. I avoid it like the plague. But I have never seen the girls they are talking about at that place. the girl who was most likely sold in to sex tafficking wasnt at a truck stop. She was just a troubled highschooler who pissed off the wrong person somehow. I think it was over drugs or money, and he threatened to sell her into the business. And then days later she disappeared. I was thinking that LE in LISK case might have asked the witnesses the wrong questions. Just like in the Ear case, everyone is looking for the direct connection to the killer, but they should have asked the financial advisor questions like how long have you been unemployed? Who do you owe money to? who was here at the house that night? BTW, sometimes those girls at the brothels get sick and they have to have a doctor. If they are on drugs, and wanting to go home, they cant just take them to a hospital. Having a doctor like the one in the show would be a benefit. That guy was scared of something. I used to work in health insurance and have read many medical records and claim histories over the years. You can tell a conscientious doctor from quacky doctor very quickly in the medical records they keep and you can spot questionable behavior quite fast in claims histories. I'm sure medical records would not be maintained nor would claims be submitted for brothel girls but that same careless medical care would carryover into the records and claims that were submitted on legitimate cases. Usually, doctors that have this kind of behavior end up with multiple complaints filed with state regulators. They often are drug abusers themselves. In the LISK case, I think the police intentionally did not ask many questions. That police chief was squirming during the press conference. He was horribly uncomfortable with all the media attention from the case. That whole neighborhood was portrayed as very strange in the Killing Season. It seemed like it was mostly a bunch of "party houses" for people from New York that did not want to draw attention to themselves closer to home.
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Post by albion on Apr 27, 2017 1:01:04 GMT
I read down and you are lucky you havent. There are only two places to buy diesel for my truck and tractors here where I live and one of them is a truck stop. I avoid it like the plague. But I have never seen the girls they are talking about at that place. the girl who was most likely sold in to sex tafficking wasnt at a truck stop. She was just a troubled highschooler who pissed off the wrong person somehow. I think it was over drugs or money, and he threatened to sell her into the business. And then days later she disappeared. I was thinking that LE in LISK case might have asked the witnesses the wrong questions. Just like in the Ear case, everyone is looking for the direct connection to the killer, but they should have asked the financial advisor questions like how long have you been unemployed? Who do you owe money to? who was here at the house that night? BTW, sometimes those girls at the brothels get sick and they have to have a doctor. If they are on drugs, and wanting to go home, they cant just take them to a hospital. Having a doctor like the one in the show would be a benefit. That guy was scared of something. I used to work in health insurance and have read many medical records and claim histories over the years. You can tell a conscientious doctor from quacky doctor very quickly in the medical records they keep and you can spot questionable behavior quite fast in claims histories. I'm sure medical records would not be maintained nor would claims be submitted for brothel girls but that same careless medical care would carryover into the records and claims that were submitted on legitimate cases. Usually, doctors that have this kind of behavior end up with multiple complaints filed with state regulators. They often are drug abusers themselves. In the LISK case, I think the police intentionally did not ask many questions. That police chief was squirming during the press conference. He was horribly uncomfortable with all the media attention from the case. That whole neighborhood was portrayed as very strange in the Killing Season. It seemed like it was mostly a bunch of "party houses" for people from New York that did not want to draw attention to themselves closer to home. The IRS might need to go through his tax records because I would bet he was doing it all for cash. Maybe drugs or freebies too. I dont recommend reading through the literature of the BDSM world, but the fantasies are really thought out. Not like regular "sexual" porn. These sites that let people post their own stories are amazing. Some of them do include doctors in the fantasies. The characters in the LISK case are like something out of the abduction, forced prostitution stories. I have never seen the truck stop by my house clean the showers. Maybe they do it once a day or something. Basically you have to go through the bathroom to get to the showers. And the showers smell worse than the bathrooms. In terms of LISK, I would agree that there are places like that. I noticed two places during my research in the Earons case. That area in northwest Washington had more than a few people living there that seems to be more than a coincidence. And that Island in British Columbia that have had a few unsolved murders there. Not classified as serial murders, but strange. Sex and drugs is a constant in life, with or without money, rich or poor, it seems everyone strives for it. You find it in the poorest neighborhoods and in the richest. But I would suppose in places like Long Island, they might be better at hiding it or covering it up, especially if the people who are engaging in the activities are assigned to investigate it.
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Post by albion on Apr 27, 2017 1:07:27 GMT
That was my attempt at pointless serial killer humor. With all the DNA you would have to find someone who was wanted. Have you ever seen the truck stop showers? Well, now you can see why I almost never watch comedy movies or TV. I just am not very good at comedy. I agree you would likely find many people that were wanted. No, I have never seen that truck stop showers but I have always wondered how it all worked. Do they clean and dry them between each person? Do you only have a set time like when you go camping and you have to put quarters in for a couple of minutes of water? Do you have an area to groom and primp after you shower for some length of time? I have so much curiosity about the logistics of the whole thing. But, I am curious about just about everything in the world... well except the Kardashians. :-( I am not very good at comedy, but I keep trying. I find this funny, so you can tell I dont have much hope... youtu.be/9IjGNJPNyzU
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Post by almagata on Apr 27, 2017 10:02:36 GMT
Well, now you can see why I almost never watch comedy movies or TV. I just am not very good at comedy. I agree you would likely find many people that were wanted. No, I have never seen that truck stop showers but I have always wondered how it all worked. Do they clean and dry them between each person? Do you only have a set time like when you go camping and you have to put quarters in for a couple of minutes of water? Do you have an area to groom and primp after you shower for some length of time? I have so much curiosity about the logistics of the whole thing. But, I am curious about just about everything in the world... well except the Kardashians. :-( I am not very good at comedy, but I keep trying. I find this funny, so you can tell I dont have much hope... youtu.be/9IjGNJPNyzUThe costuming is a little distracting. I kept thinking of Robin Williams in Mork and Mindy but then there was that pimpy fur collar. It also had a bit of Game of Thrones action. I know I am going to have those two guys jumping around in my dreams tonight. :-)
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Post by almagata on Apr 27, 2017 10:23:50 GMT
I used to work in health insurance and have read many medical records and claim histories over the years. You can tell a conscientious doctor from quacky doctor very quickly in the medical records they keep and you can spot questionable behavior quite fast in claims histories. I'm sure medical records would not be maintained nor would claims be submitted for brothel girls but that same careless medical care would carryover into the records and claims that were submitted on legitimate cases. Usually, doctors that have this kind of behavior end up with multiple complaints filed with state regulators. They often are drug abusers themselves. In the LISK case, I think the police intentionally did not ask many questions. That police chief was squirming during the press conference. He was horribly uncomfortable with all the media attention from the case. That whole neighborhood was portrayed as very strange in the Killing Season. It seemed like it was mostly a bunch of "party houses" for people from New York that did not want to draw attention to themselves closer to home. The IRS might need to go through his tax records because I would bet he was doing it all for cash. Maybe drugs or freebies too. I dont recommend reading through the literature of the BDSM world, but the fantasies are really thought out. Not like regular "sexual" porn. These sites that let people post their own stories are amazing. Some of them do include doctors in the fantasies. The characters in the LISK case are like something out of the abduction, forced prostitution stories. I have never seen the truck stop by my house clean the showers. Maybe they do it once a day or something. Basically you have to go through the bathroom to get to the showers. And the showers smell worse than the bathrooms. In terms of LISK, I would agree that there are places like that. I noticed two places during my research in the Earons case. That area in northwest Washington had more than a few people living there that seems to be more than a coincidence. And that Island in British Columbia that have had a few unsolved murders there. Not classified as serial murders, but strange. Sex and drugs is a constant in life, with or without money, rich or poor, it seems everyone strives for it. You find it in the poorest neighborhoods and in the richest. But I would suppose in places like Long Island, they might be better at hiding it or covering it up, especially if the people who are engaging in the activities are assigned to investigate it. I do wonder how guys get wired up to desire BDSM. Is it that they are tied up as children or tie their siblings up? I knew a man once who was into it and he said that the first woman the was ever sexually active with was older and she was into BDSM but I don't think that early dominatrix experiences are typical for adolescent men. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong and it is more common than I estimate. I think that whatever two consenting adults decide they want to do is fine but a preference for BDSM must have an origin. You read stories like 50 Shades of Gray and they give a back story and it seems plausible but I don't know if that is typical. It is interesting that you say that abduction and forced prostitution stories are on these sites. I can imagine someone creating their own live action story to satisfy their fantasy. The behavior of the people surrounding the LISK case is just evasive enough that you could have the prefect explanation for what happened.
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Post by albion on Apr 27, 2017 14:49:36 GMT
I was thinking about what the woman in New Mexico was saying about the Cartels using woman for many of their errands. Has their been any more news about Papini? Do you think the woman that dropped her off were part of Cartels? Have they shown a picture of the tattoo yet?
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Post by almagata on Apr 27, 2017 20:51:34 GMT
Crickets.
All I hear is crickets for the Papini case.
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Post by Mr Hood on May 1, 2017 12:18:50 GMT
I was thinking about what the woman in New Mexico was saying about the Cartels using woman for many of their errands. Has their been any more news about Papini? Do you think the woman that dropped her off were part of Cartels? Have they shown a picture of the tattoo yet? I personally don't think we'll ever see that branding/tattoo.
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